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	<description>The thoughts of Jason Arneil</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Niall Litchfield</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Litchfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah

The apps tech stack is 8.0.6 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah</p>
<p>The apps tech stack is 8.0.6 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jarneil</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>jarneil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Niall,

Well unfortunately, I have not been able to get the suggested solution in the metalink article to work. I followed the note and installed the examples CD, which includes the cr9idata.pl script which allows you to populate the $ORACLE_HOME/nls/data/9idata. I then restarted the db with the ORA_NLS10 parameter set.

Still sqlplus fails to connect. One thing to consider is that the note is talking about forms/developer 6i but this application is using forms/reports 6.0 NOT 6i. So the patchset 18 is not applicable. But it's not a forms/reports issue anyway as sqlplus version 8.0.5.0 itself fails to connect to the 11g database, though has no problem with connecting to a 10.2.0.3 instance.

I cannot find a patchset for 8.0.5 client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Niall,</p>
<p>Well unfortunately, I have not been able to get the suggested solution in the metalink article to work. I followed the note and installed the examples CD, which includes the cr9idata.pl script which allows you to populate the $ORACLE_HOME/nls/data/9idata. I then restarted the db with the ORA_NLS10 parameter set.</p>
<p>Still sqlplus fails to connect. One thing to consider is that the note is talking about forms/developer 6i but this application is using forms/reports 6.0 NOT 6i. So the patchset 18 is not applicable. But it&#8217;s not a forms/reports issue anyway as sqlplus version 8.0.5.0 itself fails to connect to the 11g database, though has no problem with connecting to a 10.2.0.3 instance.</p>
<p>I cannot find a patchset for 8.0.5 client.</p>
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		<title>By: Log Buffer #90: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Log Buffer #90: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arneil has been testing legacy applications and Oracle 11g. &#8220;I’ve seen [Oracle client] 8.0.5 running against, 9.2, 10.1 and 10.2 all very happily. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arneil has been testing legacy applications and Oracle 11g. &#8220;I’ve seen [Oracle client] 8.0.5 running against, 9.2, 10.1 and 10.2 all very happily. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jarneil</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>jarneil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Niall,

Thanks for pointing out the metalink Note, I will certainly examine that and log any findings here. My first thought was to attempt a patch the 8.0.5.0 client that forms/reports seems to use, though no patchset seemed available on metalink.  

Again, thanks for the tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Niall,</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out the metalink Note, I will certainly examine that and log any findings here. My first thought was to attempt a patch the 8.0.5.0 client that forms/reports seems to use, though no patchset seemed available on metalink.  </p>
<p>Again, thanks for the tip!</p>
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		<title>By: Niall Litchfield</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Litchfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops intended to say that you may need to patch the developer6i files to the last ever released patchset (18) as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops intended to say that you may need to patch the developer6i files to the last ever released patchset (1 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> as well</p>
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		<title>By: Niall Litchfield</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Litchfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason

I imagine that this can be made to work, albeit you'll want to consider support carefully. Note 452783.1 is all about the recent certification of E-Business Suite 11.5.10 with Oracle Database 11g. The point being that that release of EBS uses the same, legacy, technology stack. It's possible that all you'll need to do is run the cr9idata.pl script in $OH/nls/data/old and set the $ORA_NLS10 environment variable as per the EBS note. That would seem like a nice potential workaround. It's possible as well of course that there is some other 'magic' in the tech stack patches for oracle apps that means this isn't viable for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason</p>
<p>I imagine that this can be made to work, albeit you&#8217;ll want to consider support carefully. Note 452783.1 is all about the recent certification of E-Business Suite 11.5.10 with Oracle Database 11g. The point being that that release of EBS uses the same, legacy, technology stack. It&#8217;s possible that all you&#8217;ll need to do is run the cr9idata.pl script in $OH/nls/data/old and set the $ORA_NLS10 environment variable as per the EBS note. That would seem like a nice potential workaround. It&#8217;s possible as well of course that there is some other &#8216;magic&#8217; in the tech stack patches for oracle apps that means this isn&#8217;t viable for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Excellent info. I am at approx 100 (+) users, and 100s of forms and 100s of "reports". 

One part of my in-house app has been converted to Forms 10g and  over all..lots of work. I am still working on the "reports" .

Again, thanks for the info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Excellent info. I am at approx 100 (+) users, and 100s of forms and 100s of &#8220;reports&#8221;. </p>
<p>One part of my in-house app has been converted to Forms 10g and  over all..lots of work. I am still working on the &#8220;reports&#8221; .</p>
<p>Again, thanks for the info!</p>
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		<title>By: Yas</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Yas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing that information Jason. The environment here has thousands of Forms users but I am thinking about giving it a try, after testing of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that information Jason. The environment here has thousands of Forms users but I am thinking about giving it a try, after testing of course.</p>
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		<title>By: jarneil</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>jarneil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Yas,

Thanks for commenting.

I suppose it's a common theme that companies have to wait for the 3rd party app to be certified on the latest release before upgrading, but these clients will never be certified.

In my environment, I have ran the 8.0.5 client with forms and been exceedingly happy with this. There have been no issues caused by this combination.

I have had no dispute with oracle support about running this, as any SR's have involved database issues completely unrelated to forms.

We have of the order of 100 users, with around 50 forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Yas,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s a common theme that companies have to wait for the 3rd party app to be certified on the latest release before upgrading, but these clients will never be certified.</p>
<p>In my environment, I have ran the 8.0.5 client with forms and been exceedingly happy with this. There have been no issues caused by this combination.</p>
<p>I have had no dispute with oracle support about running this, as any SR&#8217;s have involved database issues completely unrelated to forms.</p>
<p>We have of the order of 100 users, with around 50 forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Yas</title>
		<link>http://jarneil.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/legacy-applications-and-oracle-11g/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Yas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, what is the number of users, number of forms in the environment you use Forms 6i, if this information is not confidential of course?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, what is the number of users, number of forms in the environment you use Forms 6i, if this information is not confidential of course?</p>
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